>> it's dreadfully serious for rupert murdoch, his family and his company. the company itself i don't think is in jeopardy. it's the second or third largest media company in the world, but murdoch's aura of invincibility is gone. his lieutenants are apples falling from the tree. his argument it was a few rotten apples is discredited. it's really a barrel problem. he has to deal with that, and he knows in coming days, not just in his testimony tomorrow, but in coming days, there will be more apples that will be revealed to have been rotten. he has a lot to answer for. >> i can say from my experience, editing a newspaper for him and this was, five, six years before any of this phone hacking began, but certainly when i worked for him, he wanted his editors toagl of the things would you expect from a tabloid newspaper, but always to operate within the law. and i find it impossible, personally knowing the man, to think he would have known about law breaking on his newspapers, let alone condone it. >> it's not just a question of what you knew, but what you should